[DISCUSS] dev mailing list is cluttered

[James Carman]

Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.  Thus
far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
> Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the PMC.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually the mailing lists are different
>>>
>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished by
>>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
>>>> Infrastructure project.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help me?
>>>> >
>>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > View this message in context:
>>>> >
>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
>>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>
>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> Hiram Chirino
> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

[jgomes]

I'm OK with moving JIRA notices to a separate list.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, 1:22 PM Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
> Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the
> PMC.
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually the mailing lists are different
> >>
> >> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished
> by
> >>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
> >>> Infrastructure project.
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help me?
> >>> >
> >>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > View this message in context:
> >>> >
> >>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-
> mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
> >>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> perl -e 'print
> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
> >>>
> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Hiram Chirino
> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>

[Bruce Snyder]

The purpose of the PMC chair is to represent the project to the board.

I supposed it would be a good idea to vote on this change on the dev@ list.

Bruce

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the
> PMC.
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Actually the mailing lists are different
> >
> > https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
> >
> >> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished by
> >> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
> >> Infrastructure project.
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help me?
> >> >
> >> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > View this message in context:
> >> >
> >>
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
> >> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> perl -e 'print
> >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >>
> >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>
> >
>

--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'

ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder

[Bruce Snyder]

I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.

Bruce

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.  Thus
> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
> > Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the
> PMC.
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Actually the mailing lists are different
> >>>
> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished
> by
> >>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
> >>>> Infrastructure project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help
> me?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > View this message in context:
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
> >>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> perl -e 'print
> >>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
> >>>>
> >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hiram Chirino
> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>

--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'

ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder

[artnaseef]

I'm OK either way.  This is something that can be undone without too much hassle if a later objection arises, but not without a little impact (that is messages in the interim being in a different place).

[chirino]

How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.  Thus
>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
>> > Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the
>> PMC.
>> >>
>> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Actually the mailing lists are different
>> >>>
>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished
>> by
>> >>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
>> >>>> Infrastructure project.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bruce
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help
>> me?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > View this message in context:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
>> >>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> perl -e 'print
>> >>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> );'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> >>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Hiram Chirino
>> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>
>
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder

--
Hiram Chirino
Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
[hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

[James Carman]

Sounds good.  There's no reason to rush this by any stretch of the
imagination.  Lazy consensus is just fine for this sort of thing, I'd
think.


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]> wrote:

> How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
> was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
> different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
> we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.  Thus
>>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
>>> > Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of the
>>> PMC.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Actually the mailing lists are different
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
>>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is accomplished
>>> by
>>> >>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
>>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select the
>>> >>>> Infrastructure project.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you help
>>> me?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> > View this message in context:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
>>> >>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Hiram Chirino
>>> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> perl -e 'print
>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>
>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>
>
>
> --
> Hiram Chirino
> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

[jgomes]

+1 for lazy consensus.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, 1:44 PM James Carman <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Sounds good.  There's no reason to rush this by any stretch of the
> imagination.  Lazy consensus is just fine for this sort of thing, I'd
> think.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
> > was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
> > different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
> > we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <
> [hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.  Thus
> >>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
> >>> > Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <
> [hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair of
> the
> >>> PMC.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <[hidden email]
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Actually the mailing lists are different
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
> >>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is
> accomplished
> >>> by
> >>> >>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
> >>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and select
> the
> >>> >>>> Infrastructure project.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you
> help
> >>> me?
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > --
> >>> >>>> > View this message in context:
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>>
> >>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-
> mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
> >>> >>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> --
> >>> >>>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> "YC;VT*"
> >>> );'
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> >>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Hiram Chirino
> >>> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> >>> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> >>> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> perl -e 'print
> >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
> >>
> >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hiram Chirino
> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>

[dejanb]

+1 for separate lists

Regards
--
Dejan Bosanac
----------------------
Red Hat, Inc.
[hidden email]
Twitter: @dejanb
Blog: http://sensatic.net
ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Jim Gomes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 for lazy consensus.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, 1:44 PM James Carman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good.  There's no reason to rush this by any stretch of the
> > imagination.  Lazy consensus is just fine for this sort of thing, I'd
> > think.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
> > > was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
> > > different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
> > > we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
> > >>
> > >> Bruce
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <
> > [hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.
> Thus
> > >>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <
> [hidden email]>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> > Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
> > >>> > Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <
> > [hidden email]>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair
> of
> > the
> > >>> PMC.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> Actually the mailing lists are different
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
> > >>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is
> > accomplished
> > >>> by
> > >>> >>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
> > >>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and
> select
> > the
> > >>> >>>> Infrastructure project.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> > Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you
> > help
> > >>> me?
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>> > Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>> > --
> > >>> >>>> > View this message in context:
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-
> > mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
> > >>> >>>> > Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> > >>> >>>> >
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> --
> > >>> >>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > "YC;VT*"
> > >>> );'
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> > >>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > Hiram Chirino
> > >>> > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > >>> > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > >>> > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> perl -e 'print
> > >> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > );'
> > >>
> > >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Hiram Chirino
> > > Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
> > > [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> > > skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
> >
>

[Martyn Taylor]

+1 for separate JIRA list.  [hidden email] makes sense to me.

On 08/04/15 10:46, Dejan Bosanac wrote:

> +1 for separate lists
>
> Regards
> --
> Dejan Bosanac
> ----------------------
> Red Hat, Inc.
> [hidden email]
> Twitter: @dejanb
> Blog: http://sensatic.net
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Jim Gomes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> +1 for lazy consensus.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, 1:44 PM James Carman <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good.  There's no reason to rush this by any stretch of the
>>> imagination.  Lazy consensus is just fine for this sort of thing, I'd
>>> think.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
>>>> was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
>>>> different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
>>>> we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.
>> Thus
>>>>>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <
>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
>>>>>>> Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair
>> of
>>> the
>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <
>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Actually the mailing lists are different
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is
>>> accomplished
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and
>> select
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you
>>> help
>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>>>>>> Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-
>>> mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino

[andytaylor]

+1

On 08/04/15 11:09, Martyn Taylor wrote:

> +1 for separate JIRA list.  [hidden email] makes sense to me.
>
> On 08/04/15 10:46, Dejan Bosanac wrote:
>> +1 for separate lists
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Dejan Bosanac
>> ----------------------
>> Red Hat, Inc.
>> [hidden email]
>> Twitter: @dejanb
>> Blog: http://sensatic.net
>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Jim Gomes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for lazy consensus.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015, 1:44 PM James Carman <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds good.  There's no reason to rush this by any stretch of the
>>>> imagination.  Lazy consensus is just fine for this sort of thing, I'd
>>>> think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Hiram Chirino <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> How about this.. Lets request the change 72 hours after this thread
>>>>> was started. So 3 days - 5 hours :)  That way, we lets folks in
>>>>> different time zones get a chance to object if they want.  After that
>>>>> we can call it lazy consensus and be done with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think we need a vote, but I won't stand in the way of one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, James Carman <
>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless anyone objects, I don't think we need an "official" VOTE.
>>> Thus
>>>>>>> far, it appears we have consensus.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Hiram Chirino <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do we need an official vote thread for these kinds of changes?
>>>>>>>> Perhaps this discussion thread is good enough?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM, James Carman <
>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think we need to have Hiram request this since he is the chair
>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, James Carman <
>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Actually the mailing lists are different
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015, Bruce Snyder <[hidden email]
>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anything that requires assistance from the Infra team is
>>>> accomplished
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> creating a JIRA issue. Just create a new issue in JIRA (
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa) and
>>> select
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure project.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:36 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Bruce - I would like to learn the process here.  Can you
>>>> help
>>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was the request made simply by creating a Jira entry?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-
>>>> mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4694448.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at
>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>>> );'
>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>> Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiram Chirino
>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> [hidden email] | fusesource.com | redhat.com
>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
>

+0

Mail filters working fine here, but if you do this please ensure it is
properly announced and documented on the Wiki so folks can find the new
mailing list.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:43 AM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Using Nabble, as I do, to keep up with the dev mailing list, this is what
> it
> looks like to me whenever I look:
>
> <
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/file/n4694420/HeresWhatDevListLooksLike.png
> >
>
> Actually, there are two more discussions easily visible this time than I
> normally see.  All of the jira, github, and other (?) notifications make it
> hard to find meaningful discussions.
>
> Any ideas on how we can solve this?
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420.html
> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

--
--
Tim Bish
-------------------
RedHat Software
Email: [hidden email]
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: tabish121
Blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com

[artnaseef]

What are the next steps here?

[Bruce Snyder]

I just submitted a request to create the mailing list, so it should be
created very soon. After that, the only thing left to do is the redirect
the email notifications from the various ActiveMQ JIRA spaces to the new
list.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What are the next steps here?
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4695448.html
> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>



--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'

ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bruceblog.org/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder

[jbonofre]

Thanks for that Bruce !

Regards
JB

On 04/23/2015 06:16 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:

> I just submitted a request to create the mailing list, so it should be
> created very soon. After that, the only thing left to do is the redirect
> the email notifications from the various ActiveMQ JIRA spaces to the new
> list.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> What are the next steps here?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSS-dev-mailing-list-is-cluttered-tp4694420p4695448.html
>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>

--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
[hidden email]
http://blog.nanthrax.net
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