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rajdavies
On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio comunity - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>
> Please see screenshots.
>
> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>
> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio references removed, even the favicon.
> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any other products.
> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and whistles, and add in the future features later.
>
> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>
>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:
>>
>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  
>>
>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>
>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>
>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>> apache
>>>>
>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many common
>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely a gap in
>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome built-in
>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license assignment
>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for one, or
>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza to the
>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package and
>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably be changed
>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly any
>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of management
>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially as it's
>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other solution and
>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out there in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with Hawtio
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis project?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> - http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http://coders.talend.com/>

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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

MichaelAndrePearce
I can add a powered by logo :)

I will add this in my todos.

Cheers
Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jul 2017, at 15:33, Rob Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio comunity - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
>
>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>>
>> Please see screenshots.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>>
>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio references removed, even the favicon.
>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any other products.
>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and whistles, and add in the future features later.
>>
>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike
>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>>
>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:
>>>
>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  
>>>
>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>
>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>
>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>>> apache
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many common
>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely a gap in
>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome built-in
>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license assignment
>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for one, or
>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza to the
>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package and
>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably be changed
>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly any
>>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of management
>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially as it's
>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other solution and
>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out there in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with Hawtio
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis project?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> - http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http://coders.talend.com/>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

MichaelAndrePearce
In reply to this post by Martyn Taylor

Hi Martyn,

This is great news! How would we go about this? I guess a key bit will be to try authorship/commit history.

Currently I have a copy of the GitHub code that I've just manually patched in so I could work on getting a working solution with active branding.

My working branch is here btw:
https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-artemis/tree/ARTEMIS-1270?files=1

Cheers
Mike





Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jul 2017, at 14:31, Martyn Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> If people think this is the way to go then I can't see there being any
> problem with 3).
>
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Michael André Pearce <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>>
>> Please see screenshots.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef
>> 03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
>> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>>
>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
>> references removed, even the favicon.
>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
>> other products.
>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from
>> the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably
>> code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and whistles, and add
>> in the future features later.
>>
>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike
>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
>> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>>
>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>> “acceptable”:
>>>
>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
>> removed.
>>>
>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related
>> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>
>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
>> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the
>> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>
>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>>> apache
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
>> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects
>> themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ
>> 5.x
>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many
>> common
>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely a
>> gap in
>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
>> built-in
>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
>> assignment
>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for
>> one, or
>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza
>> to the
>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package
>> and
>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably be
>> changed
>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly
>> any
>>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
>> management
>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially
>> as it's
>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
>> solution and
>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
>> there in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with
>> Hawtio
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
>> project?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> - http://dankulp.com/blog <
>> http://dankulp.com/blog>
>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <
>> http://coders.talend.com/>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

artnaseef
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Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web console will be running HawtIO???

Art


On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <[hidden email]> wrote:
On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio comunity - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>
> Please see screenshots.
>
> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>
> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio references removed, even the favicon.
> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any other products.
> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and whistles, and add in the future features later.
>
> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>
>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:
>>
>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  
>>
>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>
>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>
>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>> apache
>>>>
>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many common
>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely a gap in
>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome built-in
>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license assignment
>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for one, or
>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza to the
>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package and
>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably be changed
>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly any
>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of management
>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially as it's
>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other solution and
>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out there in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with Hawtio
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis project?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> - http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http://coders.talend.com/>



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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

artnaseef
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What is the "rh-messaging project" ????

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, MichaelAndrePearce [via ActiveMQ] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok,

So i think we can do this. From a local build.

Please see screenshots.

 https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>

For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio references removed, even the favicon.
For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any other products.
For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and whistles, and add in the future features later.

So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”

Cheers
Mike

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>

>>
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>
>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>
> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:
>
> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  
>
> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>
> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>
> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>
> Dan
>
>
>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>> apache
>>>
>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin maybe?
>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>
>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the asf work.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many common
>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely a gap in
>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome built-in
>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license assignment
>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for one, or
>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a stanza to the
>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package and
>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably be changed
>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly any
>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of management
>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially as it's
>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other solution and
>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out there in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with Hawtio
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis project?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Clebert Suconic
>
> --
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Hi,

This is the proposal, for lack of a better one and lack of any console for artemis currently, and as end users are crying out for this including myself (I work for a company called IG Group).

It is to provide skinned version of hawtio (ASL) using the fact you can provide a branding plugin, I have created this, and is what the screenshots show and available in my personal branch currently.

Then to provide/expose neatly the artemis management features, there already exists in the wild an artemis plugin (currently in a git project called rh-messaging) to provide a rich feature set. As per my call out it seem the guys are willing to contribute this into artemis project.

This is quite clean as if anyone wishes not to use or remove you can simply comment out in the bootstrap.xml its just some wars, like wise we just need to worry about maintaining going forwards just the plugins not a whole FE framework.

Also if in the future a better viable option is chaired, then this can be replaced, but for now at least this provides an out the box solution which as already stated myself and other users are crying out for.


As per the minimum things we needed to address which Dan kindly bulleted for us, to make this acceptable, i believe I have met all the minimum bar requirements now.

=============

I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be “acceptable”:

1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be removed.  

2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.

3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).

=============

1 - Done - See screenshots. (one note as per community feedback is for me to add a poweredBy logo , i can easily do this)
2 - Done - See screenshots
3 - Done - As per mail thread it seems they’re willing to donate this.

Cheers
Mike



> On 4 Jul 2017, at 18:57, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web
> console will be running HawtIO???
>
> Art
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio comunity
>> - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <
>> http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
>>
>>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=0>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok,
>>>
>>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>>>
>>> Please see screenshots.
>>>
>>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
>> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/
>> michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>>>
>>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
>> references removed, even the favicon.
>>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
>> other products.
>>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in
>> from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can
>> probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and
>> whistles, and add in the future features later.
>>>
>>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=1>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=2> <mailto:[hidden
>> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=3>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
>> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>>>
>>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>> “acceptable”:
>>>>
>>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
>> removed.
>>>>
>>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related
>> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>>
>>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
>> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the
>> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>>
>>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=4>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console that
>>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin
>> maybe?
>>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to do
>>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>>>> <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=5>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
>> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf
>> projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the
>> asf work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=6>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in
>> ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for many
>> common
>>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely
>> a gap in
>>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
>> built-in
>>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
>> assignment
>>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for
>> one, or
>>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a
>> stanza to the
>>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the package
>> and
>>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
>> be changed
>>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=7>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without seemingly
>> any
>>>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
>> management
>>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially
>> as it's
>>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
>> solution and
>>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
>> there in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with
>> Hawtio
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
>> project?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>>> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=8>
>> <mailto:[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=9>> -
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>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http
>> ://coders.talend.com/>
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clebertsuconic
+1 if Martyn already cleared the possibility of taking the plug in.


I'm nIt sure what to do with the history.  I would start fresh.

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:31 PM Michael André Pearce <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is the proposal, for lack of a better one and lack of any console for
> artemis currently, and as  end users are crying out for this including
> myself (I work for a company called IG Group).
>
> It is to provide skinned version of hawtio (ASL) using the fact you can
> provide a branding plugin, I have created this, and is what the screenshots
> show and available in my personal branch currently.
>
> Then to provide/expose neatly the artemis management features, there
> already exists in the wild an artemis plugin (currently in a git project
> called rh-messaging) to provide a rich feature set. As per my call out it
> seem the guys are willing to contribute this into artemis project.
>
> This is quite clean as if anyone wishes not to use or remove you can
> simply comment out in the bootstrap.xml its just some wars, like wise we
> just need to worry about maintaining going forwards just the plugins not a
> whole FE framework.
>
> Also if in the future a better viable option is chaired, then this can be
> replaced, but for now at least this provides an out the box solution which
> as already stated myself and other users are crying out for.
>
>
> As per the minimum things we needed to address which Dan kindly bulleted
> for us, to make this acceptable, i believe I have met all the minimum bar
> requirements now.
>
> =============
>
> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
> “acceptable”:
>
> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
> removed.
>
> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to
> ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>
> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live
> here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one
> they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>
> =============
>
> 1 - Done - See screenshots. (one note as per community feedback is for me
> to add a poweredBy logo , i can easily do this)
> 2 - Done - See screenshots
> 3 - Done - As per mail thread it seems they’re willing to donate this.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jul 2017, at 18:57, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web
> > console will be running HawtIO???
> >
> > Art
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio
> comunity
> >> - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <
> >> http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
> >>
> >>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=0>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok,
> >>>
> >>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
> >>>
> >>> Please see screenshots.
> >>>
> >>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
> >> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/
> >> michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
> >>>
> >>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
> >> references removed, even the favicon.
> >>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
> >> other products.
> >>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in
> >> from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can
> >> probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and
> >> whistles, and add in the future features later.
> >>>
> >>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=1>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=2> <mailto:[hidden
> >> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=3>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
> >> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
> >>>>
> >>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
> >> “acceptable”:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
> >> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to
> other
> >> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to
> be
> >> removed.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things
> related
> >> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
> >> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use
> the
> >> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=4>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console
> that
> >>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
> >>>>>> apache
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
> >>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin
> >> maybe?
> >>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to
> do
> >>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
> >>>>>> <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=5>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
> >> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf
> >> projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for the
> >> asf work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=6>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in
> >> ActiveMQ 5.x
> >>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for
> many
> >> common
> >>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is definitely
> >> a gap in
> >>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
> >> built-in
> >>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
> >> assignment
> >>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat for
> >> one, or
> >>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a
> >> stanza to the
> >>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the
> package
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
> >> be changed
> >>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer name.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
> >>>>>>>> [hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=7>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without
> seemingly
> >> any
> >>>>>>>>> movement.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
> >> management
> >>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users especially
> >> as it's
> >>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
> >> solution and
> >>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
> >> there in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release with
> >> Hawtio
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
> >> project?)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
> >>>>>>>>>
> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Clebert Suconic
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Daniel Kulp
> >>>> [hidden email] <http://
> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=8>
> >> <mailto:[hidden email]
> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=9>> -
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> >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http
> >> ://coders.talend.com/>
> >>
> >>
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clebertsuconic
 I wanted to point out Michael Pearce PR to this thread:

https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/1385





On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Clebert Suconic
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 if Martyn already cleared the possibility of taking the plug in.
>
>
> I'm nIt sure what to do with the history.  I would start fresh.
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:31 PM Michael André Pearce
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is the proposal, for lack of a better one and lack of any console for
>> artemis currently, and as  end users are crying out for this including
>> myself (I work for a company called IG Group).
>>
>> It is to provide skinned version of hawtio (ASL) using the fact you can
>> provide a branding plugin, I have created this, and is what the screenshots
>> show and available in my personal branch currently.
>>
>> Then to provide/expose neatly the artemis management features, there
>> already exists in the wild an artemis plugin (currently in a git project
>> called rh-messaging) to provide a rich feature set. As per my call out it
>> seem the guys are willing to contribute this into artemis project.
>>
>> This is quite clean as if anyone wishes not to use or remove you can
>> simply comment out in the bootstrap.xml its just some wars, like wise we
>> just need to worry about maintaining going forwards just the plugins not a
>> whole FE framework.
>>
>> Also if in the future a better viable option is chaired, then this can be
>> replaced, but for now at least this provides an out the box solution which
>> as already stated myself and other users are crying out for.
>>
>>
>> As per the minimum things we needed to address which Dan kindly bulleted
>> for us, to make this acceptable, i believe I have met all the minimum bar
>> requirements now.
>>
>> =============
>>
>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>> “acceptable”:
>>
>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
>> removed.
>>
>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to
>> ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>
>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live
>> here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one
>> they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>
>> =============
>>
>> 1 - Done - See screenshots. (one note as per community feedback is for me
>> to add a poweredBy logo , i can easily do this)
>> 2 - Done - See screenshots
>> 3 - Done - As per mail thread it seems they’re willing to donate this.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 4 Jul 2017, at 18:57, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web
>> > console will be running HawtIO???
>> >
>> > Art
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <
>> > [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio
>> >> comunity
>> >> - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <
>> >> http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
>> >>
>> >>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=0>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ok,
>> >>>
>> >>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please see screenshots.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
>> >> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/
>> >> michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>> >>>
>> >>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
>> >> references removed, even the favicon.
>> >>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
>> >> other products.
>> >>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in
>> >> from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can
>> >> probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and
>> >> whistles, and add in the future features later.
>> >>>
>> >>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=1>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=2> <mailto:[hidden
>> >> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=3>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
>> >> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>> >> “acceptable”:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>> >> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to
>> >> other
>> >> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to
>> >> be
>> >> removed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things
>> >>>> related
>> >> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
>> >> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use
>> >> the
>> >> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dan
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=4>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>> >>>>>> apache
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>> >>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin
>> >> maybe?
>> >>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to
>> >>>>>> do
>> >>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>> >>>>>> <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=5>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
>> >> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf
>> >> projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for
>> >> the
>> >> asf work.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=6>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in
>> >> ActiveMQ 5.x
>> >>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for
>> >>>>>>>> many
>> >> common
>> >>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is
>> >>>>>>>> definitely
>> >> a gap in
>> >>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
>> >> built-in
>> >>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
>> >> assignment
>> >>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >> one, or
>> >>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a
>> >> stanza to the
>> >>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the
>> >>>>>>>> package
>> >> and
>> >>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
>> >> be changed
>> >>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer
>> >>>>>>>> name.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>> >>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=7>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without
>> >>>>>>>>> seemingly
>> >> any
>> >>>>>>>>> movement.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
>> >> management
>> >>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users
>> >>>>>>>>> especially
>> >> as it's
>> >>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
>> >> solution and
>> >>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
>> >> there in
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release
>> >>>>>>>>> with
>> >> Hawtio
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
>> >> project?)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Daniel Kulp
>> >>>> [hidden email]
>> >>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=8>
>> >> <mailto:[hidden email]
>> >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=9>> -
>> >> http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>> >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http
>> >> ://coders.talend.com/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

MichaelAndrePearce
Re the history of the Artemis plugin part.

Whilst I agree not sure what to do with the history either. I would like to still keep acknowledgement of authorship I note Andy T is the predominant almost only author, so as you see in the PR I have made the commit for the Artemis plugin part with him as author.



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> On 5 Jul 2017, at 16:52, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I wanted to point out Michael Pearce PR to this thread:
>
> https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/1385
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Clebert Suconic
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> +1 if Martyn already cleared the possibility of taking the plug in.
>>
>>
>> I'm nIt sure what to do with the history.  I would start fresh.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:31 PM Michael André Pearce
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is the proposal, for lack of a better one and lack of any console for
>>> artemis currently, and as  end users are crying out for this including
>>> myself (I work for a company called IG Group).
>>>
>>> It is to provide skinned version of hawtio (ASL) using the fact you can
>>> provide a branding plugin, I have created this, and is what the screenshots
>>> show and available in my personal branch currently.
>>>
>>> Then to provide/expose neatly the artemis management features, there
>>> already exists in the wild an artemis plugin (currently in a git project
>>> called rh-messaging) to provide a rich feature set. As per my call out it
>>> seem the guys are willing to contribute this into artemis project.
>>>
>>> This is quite clean as if anyone wishes not to use or remove you can
>>> simply comment out in the bootstrap.xml its just some wars, like wise we
>>> just need to worry about maintaining going forwards just the plugins not a
>>> whole FE framework.
>>>
>>> Also if in the future a better viable option is chaired, then this can be
>>> replaced, but for now at least this provides an out the box solution which
>>> as already stated myself and other users are crying out for.
>>>
>>>
>>> As per the minimum things we needed to address which Dan kindly bulleted
>>> for us, to make this acceptable, i believe I have met all the minimum bar
>>> requirements now.
>>>
>>> =============
>>>
>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>>> “acceptable”:
>>>
>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
>>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
>>> removed.
>>>
>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to
>>> ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>
>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live
>>> here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one
>>> they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>
>>> =============
>>>
>>> 1 - Done - See screenshots. (one note as per community feedback is for me
>>> to add a poweredBy logo , i can easily do this)
>>> 2 - Done - See screenshots
>>> 3 - Done - As per mail thread it seems they’re willing to donate this.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4 Jul 2017, at 18:57, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web
>>>> console will be running HawtIO???
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio
>>>>> comunity
>>>>> - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <
>>>>> http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=0>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please see screenshots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
>>>>> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/
>>>>> michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
>>>>> references removed, even the favicon.
>>>>>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
>>>>> other products.
>>>>>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in
>>>>> from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can
>>>>> probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and
>>>>> whistles, and add in the future features later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=1>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=2> <mailto:[hidden
>>>>> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=3>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
>>>>> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>>>>> “acceptable”:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>>>>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to
>>>>> other
>>>>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to
>>>>> be
>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things
>>>>>>> related
>>>>> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
>>>>> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use
>>>>> the
>>>>> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=4>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>>>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin
>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=5>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
>>>>> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf
>>>>> projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for
>>>>> the
>>>>> asf work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=6>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in
>>>>> ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for
>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is
>>>>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>> a gap in
>>>>>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
>>>>> built-in
>>>>>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
>>>>> assignment
>>>>>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> one, or
>>>>>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a
>>>>> stanza to the
>>>>>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the
>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
>>>>> be changed
>>>>>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer
>>>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=7>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without
>>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly
>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
>>>>> solution and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> Hawtio
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
>>>>> project?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> nabble.com/DISCUSS-Removing-the-Web-Console-tp4717136p4728020.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=8>
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]
>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=9>> -
>>>>> http://dankulp.com/blog <http://dankulp.com/blog>
>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com <http
>>>>> ://coders.talend.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

dkulp
Started doing a quick look through this (really, just a build, run with. help from IRC channel to get past login issue, poke around) and it’s definitely “very early” and still needs quite a bit of work, but for the most part, a good start.  

From my “5 minute poke around”:

1) URL and page titles need to have hawtio removed and changed.  

2) “about” page needs major updates.   First, the description should describe ActiveMQ/Artemis and obviously point folks toward our websites.    Second, since this is an “about” page in a gui kind of application, then any important notices need to go here.   That said, I also just discovered that the NOTICE and LICENSE in the binary distribution need updating.    They will need updating anyway with the new deps so that’s something we’ll need to be careful of before release.   Likely just get the NOTICE and LICENSE things updated then package them in with the about page with links that bring them up somehow.

3) “Connect” page needs updating to remove all the references to the commercial products.

4) Dashboard, still lists Camel things.  Needs to be removed.

5) Diagnostics page, Flight recorder tab needs to be removed.  

6) On startup, it created a bunch of crap in ~/.hawtio.   If possible this should be disable or moved into the brokers directory someplace. (etc? data?)

7) The “help” stuff has a ton of links and such off to other places.  Those need to be replaced or removed as well.  Alternatively, as a stop gap solution, I’d be OK with removing the entire “Help” and/or have it just point off to a new page on our web site or similar to help them get things setup.

8) In the poms, there are some references to “fuse” properties that should change.  Those are just property names so should be easy search/replace.

9) Is there any way to slim it down?    There was a lot of flak about the old web console war being 14MB and this is over 21MB.  Ouch.   There is a ton of stuff in the war that looks irrelevant.  (Bootstrap/docs, d3/test, etc…)  Not sure if hawtio-git library is “required” or the two versions of guava.    Note: EVERYTHING that is in the war needs to be investigated to determine the impact on the LICENSE and NOTICE files.      That’s not going to especially fun.   It looks like the hawt.io folks don’t care at all about their licensing requirements.   The more it can be slimmed down, the less that needs to be investigated, but it still looks like it’s going to be a lot.  :(


I didn’t actually check any of the “Artemis” specific stuff yet.   Just trying to get a feel for it.


Dan



> On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Re the history of the Artemis plugin part.
>
> Whilst I agree not sure what to do with the history either. I would like to still keep acknowledgement of authorship I note Andy T is the predominant almost only author, so as you see in the PR I have made the commit for the Artemis plugin part with him as author.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 5 Jul 2017, at 16:52, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to point out Michael Pearce PR to this thread:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/1385
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Clebert Suconic
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> +1 if Martyn already cleared the possibility of taking the plug in.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm nIt sure what to do with the history.  I would start fresh.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:31 PM Michael André Pearce
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This is the proposal, for lack of a better one and lack of any console for
>>>> artemis currently, and as  end users are crying out for this including
>>>> myself (I work for a company called IG Group).
>>>>
>>>> It is to provide skinned version of hawtio (ASL) using the fact you can
>>>> provide a branding plugin, I have created this, and is what the screenshots
>>>> show and available in my personal branch currently.
>>>>
>>>> Then to provide/expose neatly the artemis management features, there
>>>> already exists in the wild an artemis plugin (currently in a git project
>>>> called rh-messaging) to provide a rich feature set. As per my call out it
>>>> seem the guys are willing to contribute this into artemis project.
>>>>
>>>> This is quite clean as if anyone wishes not to use or remove you can
>>>> simply comment out in the bootstrap.xml its just some wars, like wise we
>>>> just need to worry about maintaining going forwards just the plugins not a
>>>> whole FE framework.
>>>>
>>>> Also if in the future a better viable option is chaired, then this can be
>>>> replaced, but for now at least this provides an out the box solution which
>>>> as already stated myself and other users are crying out for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As per the minimum things we needed to address which Dan kindly bulleted
>>>> for us, to make this acceptable, i believe I have met all the minimum bar
>>>> requirements now.
>>>>
>>>> =============
>>>>
>>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>>>> “acceptable”:
>>>>
>>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>>>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to other
>>>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to be
>>>> removed.
>>>>
>>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things related to
>>>> ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>>
>>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST live
>>>> here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use the one
>>>> they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>>
>>>> =============
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Done - See screenshots. (one note as per community feedback is for me
>>>> to add a poweredBy logo , i can easily do this)
>>>> 2 - Done - See screenshots
>>>> 3 - Done - As per mail thread it seems they’re willing to donate this.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4 Jul 2017, at 18:57, artnaseef <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please catch me up here - are we saying that the Artemis built-in web
>>>>> console will be running HawtIO???
>>>>>
>>>>> Art
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, rajdavies [via ActiveMQ] <
>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the “about” page - it would be polite to reference the hawtio
>>>>>> comunity
>>>>>> - i.e. “Artemis Management console is powered by hawtio: hawt.io <
>>>>>> http://hawt.io/>” etc - as there is no powered by logo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 23:52, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=0>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So i think we can do this. From a local build.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please see screenshots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/michaelandrepearce/
>>>>>> 98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03 <https://gist.github.com/
>>>>>> michaelandrepearce/98b4be98d20f407c2d745a41df9cef03>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For 1) I think we have managed to completely skin it, with all hawtio
>>>>>> references removed, even the favicon.
>>>>>>> For 2) Only the artemis plugin and base jvm plugins, no extras for any
>>>>>> other products.
>>>>>>> For 3) Im hoping we can come to agreement on this gets contributed in
>>>>>> from the rh-messaging project @clebert @martyn @andy?, if not we can
>>>>>> probably code up a simpler version of it for now without bells and
>>>>>> whistles, and add in the future features later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if we sort point three, i think we can make this “acceptable”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=1>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=2> <mailto:[hidden
>>>>>> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=3>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe we could make a simple activemq branding jar/war with the
>>>>>> selected new logo ;) once decided without too much trouble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to step up to try do this if no objectors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I discussed previously, what would NEED to be done for this to be
>>>>>> “acceptable”:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) All branding/links/etc… in the console need to be re-skinned or
>>>>>> whatever to be “ActiveMQ”.  All mentions of hawtio and links off to
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> sites other than a possible small “powered by” type thing would need to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) All “plugins” and functionality that don’t pertain to things
>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>> to ActiveMQ would need to be removed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) The “plugin" that presents ActiveMQ related stuff to the user MUST
>>>>>> live here at Apache and part of the ActiveMQ community.   We cannot use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> one they provide (unless you can convince them to donate it to Apache).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless all three happen, it’s a no-go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:51, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=4>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Speaking the plain truth... The issue is that the hawtio console
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> was used years ago.. looked like a commercial product outside of
>>>>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that if we clear that now.. if it looks an apache look &
>>>>>>>>>> feel.. people wouldn't have an issue with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That would require some cleanup.. move to a newer hawtio plugin
>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>>>>> that's when we thought about trying new routes if we would need to
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of work anyways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Michael André Pearce
>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=5>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think this is a blocker, for example artemis uses jboss
>>>>>> logging, this doesn't have a notice file
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we just have to preserve them if present and for asf
>>>>>> projects themselves eg artemis itself it's policy to provide one for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> asf work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 01:09, W B D <[hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=6>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using hawtio alongside the classic web console in
>>>>>> ActiveMQ 5.x
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have been quite happy with it. I find it easier to use for
>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>> operations as well as for general monitoring, and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>> a gap in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the current Artemis distribution, so I would certainly welcome
>>>>>> built-in
>>>>>>>>>>>> hawtio support as a good addition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Although the source code already contains the standard license
>>>>>> assignment
>>>>>>>>>>>> to ASF, it does not include a NOTICE file. We could ask Redhat
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> one, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> construct one crediting them with the original work, or add a
>>>>>> stanza to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> top-level NOTICE file if that is more appropriate. IMO, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> class name org.jboss.plugin.PluginContextListener could probably
>>>>>> be changed
>>>>>>>>>>>> in our copy, both to establish custody and to give a clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, MichaelAndrePearce <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4728199&i=7>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been some time since this discussion thread without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artemis Project is really suffering from having any kind of
>>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>>> console. With continued questions and calls from users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> picking up traction and deployment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As such could I propose, that as lack of movement on any other
>>>>>> solution and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawtio is pretty much in a usable state, with a plugin also out
>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wild. (It's ASL)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That for the interim on artemis project we build and release
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Hawtio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an artemis plugin (if RH would donate their plugin to artemis
>>>>>> project?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objectors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

clebertsuconic
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Started doing a quick look through this (really, just a build, run with. help from IRC channel to get past login issue, poke around) and it’s definitely “very early” and still needs quite a bit of work, but for the most part, a good start.
>
> From my “5 minute poke around”:
>
> 1) URL and page titles need to have hawtio removed and changed.


You're trying to hide the fact we used hawtio?

that's different from implying to be made by Apache or not. what's the
issue on that?


The other points seem ok to me..
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

MichaelAndrePearce
Re point 2) license file out of date-  I'm reading this as a more general issue with artemis license not upto date , if this is the case could someone else pick this one up?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jul 2017, at 18:45, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Started doing a quick look through this (really, just a build, run with. help from IRC channel to get past login issue, poke around) and it’s definitely “very early” and still needs quite a bit of work, but for the most part, a good start.
>>
>> From my “5 minute poke around”:
>>
>> 1) URL and page titles need to have hawtio removed and changed.
>
>
> You're trying to hide the fact we used hawtio?
>
> that's different from implying to be made by Apache or not. what's the
> issue on that?
>
>
> The other points seem ok to me..
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Re: [DISCUSS] Removing the Web Console

dkulp

> On Jul 5, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Michael André Pearce <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Re point 2) license file out of date-  I'm reading this as a more general issue with artemis license not upto date , if this is the case could someone else pick this one up?

The main thing I noticed was the json.org license still in there.   Since we haven’t depended on that for almost a year now (ARTEMIS-565) (and Apache projects CANNOT depend on it anymore), that just jumped out at me as something that was obviously wrong.  I went ahead and removed those.   Not saying that there are things that belong in there that aren’t, but at least the json.org part is now fixed on master.

Dan



>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 5 Jul 2017, at 18:45, Clebert Suconic <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Kulp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Started doing a quick look through this (really, just a build, run with. help from IRC channel to get past login issue, poke around) and it’s definitely “very early” and still needs quite a bit of work, but for the most part, a good start.
>>>
>>> From my “5 minute poke around”:
>>>
>>> 1) URL and page titles need to have hawtio removed and changed.
>>
>>
>> You're trying to hide the fact we used hawtio?
>>
>> that's different from implying to be made by Apache or not. what's the
>> issue on that?
>>
>>
>> The other points seem ok to me..

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